Thema: Der "Dario Argento"-Thread

[nemesis]

Mmm...von Dario kenne ich:

-Suspiria
-Phenomena
-Tenebre
-Sleepless
-Stendhal Syndrom
-Deep Red
-Inferno
-Opera
-Two Evil Eyes
-Phantom der Oper
-Aura/Trauma

Und zumindest die ersten 8 sind in meinen Augen Meisterwerke. Wie oft blicke ich (fast mit Freudentränen in den Augen) auf das eingerahmte Autogramm des Meisters über meinem Schreibtisch...*schnief*

[nemesis]

Na ein Glück dass The Sect von Michele Soavi ist

Find´s übrigens lustig dass da einiges von bei uns in Frankfurt gedreht wurde.

[nemesis]

Jetzt wollte ich schon was von "Suchfunktion" sagen...aber in dem entsprechenden Thread
http://www.horror-forum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1524&highlight=card+player
hatte noch niemand den Film gesehen.

Ich leider auch noch nicht. Aber nach den ganzen negativen Reviews die ich so gelesen habe baut mich Elenas Kommentar wieder ein klein wenig auf.

[nemesis]

Hab den Card Player leider noch nicht gesehen, wenn es hierzu ein Review gibt, kann mal bitte einer den Link posten!

http://beyondhollywood.de/forum/index.php?topic=144656#144656
(Weiter unten sind ein paar Meinungen...oben finden sich noch freudige Erwartungen...)

[nemesis]

Wurde vielleicht schon mal irgendwo erwähnt, aber ich hab keine Ahnung, wo. Wenn überhaupt.

Das UK-Label Arrow Video hat ja bereits im September eine BD von Inferno veröffentlicht:

(ein anderes Label, Nouveaux Films, bereits im Januar Suspiria).

Für 2011 stehen angeblich noch bis zu 5 Argentos in der Pipeline, von denen zumindest schon einmal Tenebre, Phenomena und Die neunschwänzige Katze bestätigt sind.







Wie bei Arrow üblich, ist das jeweils nur eines von insgesamt 4 zur Auswahl stehenden Covermotiven.

Also gerade bei Argentos Optik bin ich schwer am überlegen, da mal upzugraden...

[nemesis]

Joa, die Arrow Video der Argentos werden wohl auch ran müssen...

So viel ich weiss hat Patrick davon bereits welche!?

Zumindest Suspiria von Nouveaux Films hat er afair.

[nemesis]

Am 30. Januar 2012 erscheint im UK endlich - und hoffentlich auch in brauchbarer Qualität - Argentos vernachlässigtes Frühwerk Vier Fliegen auf grauem Samt:



Das Cover finde ich gelinde gesagt... gewöhnungsbedürftig. Die Ausstattung klingt allerdings sehr gut:

DVD DETAILS
Special Features:
- Introduction to the film by Luigi Cozzi.
- New, exclusive and extensive recent interview on the making of Four Flies On Grey Velvet with writer and assistant director Luigi Cozzi.
- Original English audio remastered in HD exclusively for this Shameless release from the original magnetic soundtrack and available for the first time since the film’s original theatrical opening in the 1970s.
- Shameless re-build edit of the complete version of the film including four inserts of previously missing footage known amongst Argento fans as the legendary “missing forty seconds” (the inserts are in Standard-Definition quality). The Blu-ray will allow for seamless branching of the four inserts giving viewers two versions of the film: one all HD without the re-inserted scenes and one longer version including the inserts.
- Restoration of all individual damaged frames, most notably with respect to the removal of the black diagonal frame line (caused by the film jumping the high speed camera gate) in the final car crash sequence.
- Optional Italian audio version in HD with English subtitles.
- Italian and English trailers.
- Alternate English opening and closing credits.
- Shameless Trailer Park (Blu-ray only).

[nemesis]

Und ein Review zu der BD:

BLU-RAY REVIEW: FOUR FLIES ON GREY VELVET



by J Hurtado, February 14, 2012 10:45 PM
   

Dario Argento's Four Flies on Grey Velvet is a film with a strange hold over horror film fans built mainly upon the fact that for a very long time it has been very difficult to get a hold of. It wasn't until the last two or three years that the film finally arrived on DVD, and even then, it was not in the greatest condition. Recently, whatever legal entanglements that have hamstrung this film's journey to home video have begun to clear and both the UK's Shameless Screen Entertainment and Germany's Koch Media have announced Blu-ray editions of the film to hit the European market. First out of the gate is Shameless with their 40th anniversary Blu-ray edition, and I must say, it is pretty impressive for a film with such a long and complicated history.

This missing integral piece of Dario Argento's canon has long been sought out by collectors who've never seen a decent home video release. The film has been cut and mangled by various nefarious forces for the last forty years, so whenever it did turn up on VHS or DVD, it was invariably missing some footage, at least 40 seconds, and at most, who knows how much. Four Flies on Grey Velvet is the third piece of Dario Argento's Animal Trilogy, which consists of the masterful The Bird with Crystal Plumage and the solid Cat 'O Nine Tails, and leads into what may be his most celebrated giallo offering, Deep Red. In all of the conversations about the availability of the film and the missing footage and other Four Flies minutiae, rarely is the question asked, is it really any good? The answer is probably not what you would hope.

The film opens on an ecstatic montage of rock music scored by Ennio Morricone showing a rock band layin' down some sweet tracks. The cutting during the opening credits sequence really gets the juices flowing and indicates that we'll be in for quite a ride, unfortunately, this is really as good as it gets, and the momentum only drops from here on out. Drummer Roberto Tobias (Michael Brandon) leaves the recording session only to be followed by a creepy old man who he accidentally kills during a confrontation in a seemingly abandoned theatre.  However, he soon realizes that he's been caught in the act by a masked man, who then proceeds to blackmail him with photos and evidence from the murder.  Who is this masked man and why does he have it out for Roberto? We spend the next ninety minutes trying to figure that out.

This seems pretty reminiscent of several of Argento's other plots, which would be fine if it was well executed, but it isn't. Roberto is given no real background, the characters around him are all very one dimensional, he is shown as a philanderer, and Argento seems to have used up all of his creative visual juice in that opening sequence.  With his other '70s gialli, Argento's leads are well-rounded, they are given flaws and foibles, they have humorous, human moments that helps the audience to relate, but Four Flies on Grey Velvet seems content to drop this unknown and unknowable character into the middle of a tragic situation and expect the audience to react as though they care.  Thankfully, this is not a scenario Argento went back to for future works, as it really doesn't grab you.

That being said, the film isn't a complete waste.  The actors aren't given much to work with, but it is the characters on the periphery that really earn their pay. Roberto Tobias' is really sort of an anti-hero, but not in the cool tough guy way, but more in the borign unsympathetic way.  His wife, Nina (Mimsy Farmer), is a much more electric character who gets a few chances to shine, and she takes advantage.  Farmer's genre performances are delightfully subdued when required, but she can get crazy with the best of them, and I always love seeing her in films. There are some great kills, there are a couple of sexy sex scenes, and there is one very memorable sequence during the film's climax.  The sad thing is that there is an awful lot of aimless piddling that goes on between the fantastic opening and closing sequences.  The slow motion euphoria of the climax is breathtaking and holds up well against any Argento reveal.

Four Flies on Grey Velvet is probably the weakest of Argento's '70s output, though I haven't seen The Five Days, so my assessment is somewhat incomplete. The film lacks the emotional involvement with the characters that forms part of the strength of his other giallo works of the decade. I'm glad I've seen and now own Four Flies, but if I'm in the mood for top shelf giallo, I've got a stack of other films I'm going to reach for first.

The Disc:

The good news is that after the disappointment of Shameless' Cannibal Holocaust disc, they come back strong with a remarkably good Blu-ray of Four Flies on Grey Velvet. Where Cannibal Holocaust lacked detail, Four Flies is bursting at the seams, there are solid strong colors throughout and natural grain when appropriate.  Considering the condition of the archival materials, the HD restoration is nothing less than a revelation. The missing forty seconds are included on this disc, making it the most complete home video version ever made available for purchase. These forty seconds are presented in SD, seamlessly branched into the main feature. The quality of these inserts is pretty terrible, but it at least matches the proper aspect ratio, and you have the option of viewing the film with or without these brief snippets, though the editing without them is awfully choppy.

Another fantastic "get" for Shameless is the newly remastered original English dub, which sounds fantastic and significantly stronger than the Italian dub. As I've mentioned before, Italian films up though the '80s were all post synced, and so there is typically no "original" audio track, which makes one dub as valid as another in my opinion. In this case, the combination of the English speaking star, Michael Brandon, and the strong dubbing, makes the English the easy choice.

There is only one extra on this disc, and that is a roughly twenty minute interview with frequent Argento collaborator Luigi Cozzi. Cozzi appears on nearly every recently released Argento Blu-ray, as he seems more eager to talk about his involvement than Dario, himself. This is another good peek behind the curtains of an Argento film, though hearing Dario talk about this film, of which he's not terribly fond, would have been interesting. 

All in all, Four Flies on Grey Velvet on Blu-ray is very good. Argento completists out there, and we are legion, will want to have this in their collection. Recommended.


DVD DETAILS
Special Features:
- Introduction to the film by Luigi Cozzi.
- New, exclusive and extensive recent interview on the making of Four Flies On Grey Velvet with writer and assistant director Luigi Cozzi.
- Original English audio remastered in HD exclusively for this Shameless release from the original magnetic soundtrack and available for the first time since the film’s original theatrical opening in the 1970s.
- Shameless re-build edit of the complete version of the film including four inserts of previously missing footage known amongst Argento fans as the legendary “missing forty seconds” (the inserts are in Standard-Definition quality). The Blu-ray will allow for seamless branching of the four inserts giving viewers two versions of the film: one all HD without the re-inserted scenes and one longer version including the inserts.
- Restoration of all individual damaged frames, most notably with respect to the removal of the black diagonal frame line (caused by the film jumping the high speed camera gate) in the final car crash sequence.
- Optional Italian audio version in HD with English subtitles.
- Italian and English trailers.
- Alternate English opening and closing credits.
- Shameless Trailer Park (Blu-ray only)

[nemesis]

"Das Geheimnis der schwarzen Handschuhe" kommt im August von Koch als 3-Disc Mediabook.

Nach der bisherigen VÖ, die gekürzt und zudem im falschen Bildformat ist, wäre das wohl ne Maßnahme...

[nemesis]

Reminder:



In einer Woche.

[nemesis]

Das Mediabook war limitiert. Man bekommt aber noch das Metalpak der BD von XT (OFDb z.B. 19,98).
Das kam etwa ein Jahr nach der Arrow-BD raus, und ich tippe stark darauf, dass es der gleiche Transfer ist.

[nemesis]

Mal ne Frage an die Argento-Experten. Ich möchte die für mich relevantesten Filme in der bestmöglichen Fassung haben. Das Folgende sind die Versionen, die ich habe (bzw haben werde). Gibt es da vereinzelt bessere Versionen?
Z.B. die Koch-BD von Inferno, oder die Arrow von Phenomena?

Terror in der Oper (1987) > Kommende Koch-BD

Phenomena (1985) > NSM-BD (Metalpak)

Tenebrae (1982) > ArrowBD von 2011, Update auf den neuen Arrow-Transfer von 2015 in der Pipeline

Feuertanz - Horror Infernal (1980) > Arrow-BD

Suspiria (1977) > 84-BD

Rosso - Die Farbe des Todes (1975) > Arrow-BD, Update auf den neuen 4k-Transfer in der Pipeline

Vier Fliegen auf grauem Samt (1971) > Koch-BD

Geheimnis der schwarzen Handschuhe, Das (1970) > Koch-BD

[nemesis]

Post aus UK:

Für geschmeidige 8 Pfund (heute kostet sie drolligerweise fast ganze 5 Pfund mehr...).
Kurz reingeschaut, schöner Transfer. Irgendwie glaub ich, ich liebe den Film...

Ist das jetzt die von Dir erwähnte Arrow mit neuem Transfer?

Will mir meine Argento-Faves auch langsam auf Blu ranrudern. Ausser Suspiria hab ich ja noch nix von in HD...

Jepp, das isser. Bildtechnisch wahrscheinlich aktuell das Beste auf dem Markt. Und gute und interessante Extras (die meisten waren schon auf der vorherigen Arrow, aber es gibt noch neues Material).

[nemesis]

Post aus UK:

Für geschmeidige 8 Pfund (heute kostet sie drolligerweise fast ganze 5 Pfund mehr...).
Kurz reingeschaut, schöner Transfer. Irgendwie glaub ich, ich liebe den Film...

Ist das jetzt die von Dir erwähnte Arrow mit neuem Transfer?

Will mir meine Argento-Faves auch langsam auf Blu ranrudern. Ausser Suspiria hab ich ja noch nix von in HD...

Jepp, das isser. Bildtechnisch wahrscheinlich aktuell das Beste auf dem Markt. Und gute und interessante Extras (die meisten waren schon auf der vorherigen Arrow, aber es gibt noch neues Material).

Cool danke! Die wird es dann wahrscheinlich bei mir auch sein!

Und falls dir das neue Artwork nicht gefällt... sie hat auch ein Wendecover:

[nemesis]

Wie ist denn die Qualität von Phenomena von XT bzw. weiss man ob sie z.B. den gleichen Transfer benutzt haben wie Arrow?

Ich hab die hier:

http://www.ofdb.de/view.php?page=fassung&fid=577&vid=341562

Subjektiv find ich sie gut, habe allerdings keine HD-Vergleichsmöglichkeit, einzig noch die hier:

http://www.ofdb.de/view.php?page=fassung&fid=577&vid=19007

Und da liegen Welten zwischen.

Wobei die Arrow mal wieder einiges mehr an Extras an Bord hat... Es ist ein Kreuz, dass man bei einigen Titeln wegen Extras und Qualität immer wieder mal neben der dt. VÖ eine Auslands-VÖ im Regal braucht...

[nemesis]

Welche hattest du dir noch mal geholt?

[nemesis]

Ah, okay. Tenebrae (Neuauflage) dürfte ja derzeit das Maximum sein. Phenomena soll dem Vernehmen nach etwa der XT entsprechen (vom Bild her, Extras hat die UK ja deutlich mehr an Bord).

Inferno hab ich auch die Arrow. Da würde mich mal ein Vergleich mit der Koch-BD inteessieren. Deep Red hattest du auch die neue 4K-Mastered vorbestellt, oder? Da war afair vom Bild her noch Luft nach oben, bin sehr gespannt.

[nemesis]

Post aus bella Italia:

 

Heute eingetrudelt:

So hab ich jetzt von jedem Argento zumindest 'ne deutschsprachige Variante.

[nemesis]

Wow, ganze 5 Tacken weniger, als ich auf der Börse für die Super-Duper-Edition gelatzt habe!

[nemesis]

Mother of Tears ist den Monat auf den Index gewandert (Listenteil A).

[nemesis]

Der Release von Arrows neuer Deep Red hat sich auf den 25. Januar 2016 verschoben.

Mir ist übrigens aufgefallen, dass meine favorisierten Argentos kurioserweise genau die sind, die einen Score von Goblin haben.

[nemesis]

Der Release von Arrows neuer Deep Red hat sich auf den 25. Januar 2016 verschoben.

Mir ist übrigens aufgefallen, dass meine favorisierten Argentos kurioserweise genau die sind, die einen Score von Goblin haben.

Verzögerung habe ich mitgekriegt, weisst Du evtl. warum?

Was die Faves angeht, isses bei mir genauso! wirklich erstaunt darüber bin ich aber nicht.

Ist btw mittlerweile bei Arrow und ama.uk ausverkauft.

Ach ja, der Grund für die Verzögerung:

Dear customers,

Unfortunately, Deep Red has had to under-go extensive re-grading work as we were not satisfied with the picture quality of the master.
To ensure that the re-grading process will be completed to the highest standard we have decided to push the release date of this title back to January 18th.
We’d like to apologise for any inconvenience this delay may cause.

In the meantime, if you have any queries about your order please contact our team at: orders@arrowfiilms.co.uk who will be able to assist you.

Thank you.

Arrow Video Team

[nemesis]

Auf den Release von Arrow bin ich ja auch gespannt.

Nebenbei überlege ich immer noch ob ich mir deren Tenebrae Scheibe holen soll.

hat Pierre im Angebot

Ist aber die alte Scheibe. Die neuere hat ein besseres Bild.

[nemesis]

Deep Red wurde heute verschickt 

[nemesis]

Kam vorgestern frisch an:



LIMITED EDITION CONTENTS:

*Brand new 4K restoration of the film from the original camera negative produced by Arrow Video exclusively for this release
*High Definition Blu-ray (1080p) presentations of all three versions of the film: the 116-minute Italian, 110-minute international and 83-minute Creepers cuts
*New 5.1 surround mixes of the Italian (116-minute) and English (110-minute) soundtracks in lossless DTS-HD Master Audio, derived from the original 4-channel Dolby Stereo elements
*New hybrid English/Italian soundtrack for the 116-minute version in lossless DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 and PCM 2.0 stereo*
*Italian soundtrack for the 116-minute version in lossless PCM 2.0 stereo
*English soundtrack for the 110-minute version in lossless PCM 2.0 stereo
*English soundtrack for the 83-minute version in lossless PCM 1.0 mono
*English subtitles for the Italian soundtrack
*Optional English subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearing for the English soundtrack
*New audio commentary by Troy Howarth, author of So Deadly, So Perverse: 50 Years of Italian Giallo Films
*The Three Sarcophagi, a new visual essay by Michael Mackenzie comparing the different cuts of Phenomena
*Of Flies and Maggots, a new feature-length documentary including interviews with Dario Argento, actors Fiore Argento, Davide Marotta, Daria Nicolodi and Fiorenza Tessari, co-writer Franco Ferrini, cinematographer Romano Albani, production manager Angelo Jacono, assistant director Michele Soavi, special optical effects artist Luigi Cozzi, special makeup effects artist Sergio Stivaletti and more
*Original Italian and English theatrical trailers
*Jennifer music video, directed by Dario Argento
*Rare Japanese vintage pressbook
*Remastered soundtrack CD featuring the complete Goblin instrumental soundtrack, plus four bonus tracks by Simon Boswell and Andi Sex Gang
*Limited edition 60-page booklet containing new writing by Mikel J. Koven, Rachael Nisbet and Leonard Jacobs
*Limited edition packaging featuring original and newly commissioned artwork by Candice Tripp
* The 116-minute Italian cut features approximately six minutes of footage for which English audio does not exist. In these instances, the hybrid track reverts to Italian audio with English subtitles.